Curse

Mechz · Jan 18, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

So, I've noticed how insanely awesome a sin looks with a longsword. Ninjas were meant to have swords, not little knives! So I've been thinking up ways to make an effective PvE A/W that uses swords.

Essentially, you would be running a spread like this:

Swordsmanship 12
Critical Strikes 9+1+3
Tactics 9

or

Critical Strikes 12+1
Swordsmanship 12
Tactics 3

Maxed out sword damage, 3 energy for every crit, and you can hold a max shield. Alternatively, you would run a req. 3 shield and max out CS and Swordsmanship without the need for a sup rune. A req. 0 shield can give you about 10 armor; so I imagine a req3 would give you ~12 armor.

Critical Agility, Critical Defense, Way of the Master, and Malicious Strikes are all skills that come to mind on the sin-side of things.

Sever Artery, Gash, Hundred Blades, Sun and Moon Slash, Disrupting Blow, Distracting Strike, and Save Slash come to me on the Warrior side of skills.

Healing Signet and Assassin's Remedy seem like good support skills.

As I've been told many times, you're just gimping yourself severely to run a sin without Critical Agility. Assassins are kind of fragile, so you should have up Critical Defenses, too. Sever Artery, Gash, and Malicious Strike work as somewhat of a pseudo-chain, and it works to restore your Critical Enchantments. Way of the Master does its job of cheaply increasing your spike damage output. Hundred Blades is a "decent" replacement for Death Blossom (although it does eat up your Elite slot). Then, depending on your spread, you may want to run Healing Signet, Assassin's Remedy, or put a few points into shadow-arts and run Shadow Refuge or Way of Perfection. Pouring points into Shadow Arts does mean you have to run a req. 0 shield... BUT that's not completely bad! With those options in mind, a lot of people would probably opt for a Rez.

E Critical Agility
E Critical Defenses
A Sever Artery
A Gash
A Malicious Strike
E Way of the Master
A Hundred Blades
O Optional

A=Attack, E=Enchantment, O=Optional

A question to other warrior/sin players... Does Frenzy stack up with Critical Agility?

Now, if you would all please mind... Being constructive. I don't care for useless comments about how I should just be running DeathMoebius

FlamingMetroid · Jan 18, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

max ias is 33% so frenzy wont stack, and hundred blades isn't very good

Mechz · Jan 18, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

^Thanks, that helps.

What's a good elite over Hundred Blades?

Oh, dude. Seeping Wound might be good. >_>

FlamingMetroid · Jan 18, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

seeping wound also = baed
for the sake of this build I would say try quivering blade

Mechz · Jan 18, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

That's true, it's not that helpful. In PvP I've tried running this build with Fox's Promise as the elite (Replacing Critical Agility w/Frenzy). The build isn't too bad; the sin lasts a while, and the spike damage is decent.

But I can't think of any time it would be all that amazing in PvE.

ensoriki · Jan 18, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Mechz

Ninjas were meant to have swords, not little knives!

wut....

Anyways, replace sever artery for Sharpen Daggers

You use up adrenaline gash could've used with SA.

Just go malicious Strike then Gash,

Mechz · Jan 18, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

wut....

Anyways, replace sever artery for Sharpen Daggers

You use up adrenaline gash could've used with SA.

Just go malicious Strike then Gash,

I've been meaning to ask: Does Sharpen Daggers apply the bleeding for Malicious checks for bleeding?

Shuuda · Jan 18, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Ninjas were meant to have swords

I stopped reading there, and came to the assumption that the thread must epicly fail. No?

Coloneh · Jan 18, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

yeah, this fails. honestly i didnt read you build. i dont give a shit. look at the damage range on a sword. that is the worst possible weapon you could pick to use an an assassin. assassins can do crazy critical attacks on any weapon, get an axe or a scythe if you dont like daggers.

FlamingMetroid · Jan 18, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Mechz

Now, if you would all please mind... Being constructive. I don't care for useless comments about how I should just be running DeathMoebius

I think he realizes they suck and just wants a sword sin for the heck of it.

Stormlord Alex · Jan 18, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

I stopped reading there, and came to the assumption that the thread must epicly fail. No?

Pretty much.
Sword 'sins are weak, and always will be - swords have low base damage and don't get much out of critical hits.

And ninja don't just use swords.
They use whatever the hell they feel like using, they're that awesome

Seriously though, umm... yeah. Watch less Naruto. A ninja would be more likely to use small, easily concealed weapons - such as knives and shuriken - as well as martial arts and bomb-like weaponry to stun enemies instead.

Mechz · Jan 19, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Pretty much.
Sword 'sins are weak, and always will be - swords have low base damage and don't get much out of critical hits.

And ninja don't just use swords.
They use whatever the hell they feel like using, they're that awesome

Seriously though, umm... yeah. Watch less Naruto. A ninja would be more likely to use small, easily concealed weapons - such as knives and shuriken - as well as martial arts and bomb-like weaponry to stun enemies instead.

They don't use swords in Naruto.

Stormlord Alex · Jan 19, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Mechz

They don't use swords in Naruto.

I couldn't say, I don't waste my time with TV

The fact stands, an assassin with a sword = still not a real ninja. The skills and abilities the Assassin already has is far closer than stucking 100 blades on a 'sin.

Mechz · Jan 19, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

I couldn't say, I don't waste my time with TV

The fact stands, an assassin with a sword = still not a real ninja. The skills and abilities the Assassin already has is far closer than stucking 100 blades on a 'sin.

That's not even the point. The point is it looks nice. The idea is "What can we do to get the most out of something that looks nice"?

Coloneh · Jan 19, 2008, 12:16 AM // 00:16

make a assacaster and use a caster sword? im pretty sure thats the most viable option here.

zling · Jan 19, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Way of the Assassin is a great replacement for Hundred Blades.
combined with Way of the Master and high Critical Strikes you're almost guaranteed to crit every time...

Stormlord Alex · Jan 19, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

make a assacaster and use a caster sword? im pretty sure thats the most viable option here.

/agreed.

Or use a standard dagger build with a sword on your defensive set

If I had a gun against my head and had to use swords on a 'sin...
Screw the lame-ass sword elites. Gogo Beguiling Haze. You get to shadow step... hai thats liek wel kool and ninjaey

... and Haze's daze >>>>> the shit damage you're trying to do at 12 Swordsmanship

Buce · Jan 19, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Use Shiro's Blade if you like the look of swords. It's also cool wearing two long blades at the same time.

Mechz · Jan 19, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

make a assacaster and use a caster sword? im pretty sure thats the most viable option here.

I actually like this idea a lot more than going full melee with one.

Hrm... Thanks. : ]

Mork from Ork · Jan 19, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

^^ excellent solution - Shiros blades are great looking knives and are essentially two swords - I luv em.

caster sin is also a great solution